428CJ Elim.

[One Punch]

If you consider this kind of input to the seller help, ah, I dont want your help. Help a buyer maybe. If guys are not being picky, wow I hate to see what picky is. As in the post up above, Id be afraid to post pics of a few of my rides. If your going to try and do an E-cat, they came with hood pins! I know everyones is entitled to an opinion, but this guy didnt post his pics here, we took them from ebay and started shreddin. I dont get it, this guy doest have the proper shade of silver under the hood, but should omit the hoodpins! I dont know if it worth the money, but to say thats not and some rusted hulk is worth 40+ because its a GT-E or whatever, Im confused or just partial to 69-70's. Thats it, I'm done, Thanks.

I get your point, but I think others have an equally valid point. I'll tell you this much, I think that when you put a statement like this in a listing....

"A lot of money was spent to correctly restore this beauty back to its original showroom condition."

......then you open yourself up to a certain level of scrutiny and critique. "Original Showroom Condition"?? I dont think so. Yes, it's a beautiful car, but it clearly is NOT in "Original Showroom Condition". There are numerous things on this car that are in fact incorrect.

Now I would agree that not every photo of people's cars needs to be turned into a "photo hunt" game where you get imaginary points for finding all the flaws, but if you decide to market a car as "Original Showroom Condition", then you better be prepared to have people hold you to that standard.

Just my $.02..............

[Four-55]

I haven't been a member of this forum for very long, but I spend a lot of time here. I haven't seen anyone post pictures of their car and be criticized for their efforts. I've only seen positive comments.

On the other hand, when you put a car out there for sale with a big price tag and tell everyone how great it is, you should be prepared to get some criticism about the things that aren't right.

JMHO

I agree the seller is representing his car as a "close to orginal posible restoration" If he had not made such a big deal about this and some of the other glowing terms he would not have been "shreded" I dont think that at all my car is not even close to being stock but I did restore it, again to how I would have ordered it or how i would have finished it. I personally think restoring a car back to the exact way it came from the factory is silly with all the grease marks or people who restore cars and never drive them, except off the trailer to a parking spot.

I love the opinions I got on the late model mustang wheels I put on my car it did not change my opinion of what I thought(ok maybe a little since I have changed them again) the point is not to rip the seller as much as help the new owner get what he paid for and know that if he expects an orginal restoration know he has to make changes.....

IMHO I would never pay 75K for any car no matter how nice or rare. As someone once said a car is worth what someone will pay for it. To almost all of us on this board our cars are worth more to us than to others we almost all have emotional attachment to our cars. When I sold the 69 convertible last year, a guy came out to look at it liked it but really wanted the blue 70 vert that I had just finished spending 100's of hours putting the 428CJ in so I told him 60K. He started to tell me how crazy I was I told him it wasnt for sale but if he wanted it thats what it would cost.

This guy might be in the same boat...If I get it, I get it, if not then oh well.....

BTW I love to see pictures of other peoples cars it helps me see if i want to copy what they did on something I have or might buy in the future....

[jsv]

1. I find it interesting that no one has yet commented on the fact that this gentleman sold an identical car except four speed about 18 months ago that also was missing an equal number of detailing clues.

2. I spoke to him about the four speed car and actually gave him a number of pointers on how to detail the car correctly so he could get a higher price. He was not offended. Indeed, he was thankful for my comments. As I recall, it only had 27,000 miles but sold in the high 50's.

3. Call it nit picky or call it constructive criticism, but no horns is such an obvious miss that it looks like the restoration progressed to a certain point and stopped. There is a difference between a missing paint dab and a missing component that would cause the car to fail inspection.

4. I said it before and I'l say it again. 700-1000 invested here would bring the price up 5000, IMHO. I told him that on the previous car.

[69428SCJ]

When a car is for sale, and for that kind of money, the discussion is very fair. And beyond that, correct is correct and that is the spirit here, not "I won't post pictures here because you guys might make comments that will hurt my feelings".

I do not have a rare car, I had a nightmare I worked through over 5 years time. If I took your attitude I would have needed to cancel my membership to this board for fear of "the comments". This board and my experience through my lunacy on my quest has actually enhanced my life, and much of it involved people looking at me/commenting like this:

I have come to enjoy it actually!

Regards,

Bob

My feelings would not be hurt. It's a matter of the fact that my car has been appraised for more than the seller's BIN and based on the comments in this thread, I know many people would point out modifications that to their opinion makes it worth less. Bottom line is I don't feel like having to defend the appraisal when a local reputable appraiser has made his assessment. That's why I'm not willing to post pictures. I've learned many things since joining this board, both good and bad. Apparently if a sticker is 1cm either way to the left or right from where it's supposed to be, it lowers the value in people's eyes. I've seen it many times with other rare cars posted for sale here.

You have done a superb job on bringing your car back from beyond the grave and I have followed your build thread. I suppose it's easier to just own a run-of-the-mill cougar so that way it won't be so suspect to other people's opinion of value or worth.

[xr7g428]

69428SCJ, Considering the back story on your car, I don't see how any appraisal could ever really capture the value of your car, at least to you. I say that out of respect.

I don't think you have any thing to worry about when you post pictures on the site. If one were to present a car as being exactly as original, then that invites a lot of nit picking regarding what might be "incorrect". If one were to present a car built according to the vision of the builder, then you might get comments about how your vision might differ from others,, but that makes your vision no less credible. (unless you put 22" wheels on it, paint it frog green, and turn it into a Donk in which case we all get to razz you to no end, LOL!)

[R-code-cougar]

I think that nobody can do THE perfect resto job, unless there is somebody who bought his car brandnew, and which is totaly original, low-milage, and never seen bad weather etc.
You people know a lot all together! I must do a resto-job, put over 1000 pics here, filter all the comment, and do the resto again, and than perfect

Anybody over here?

R-code-cougar

[badcat427]

I am here to learn and share information about Cougars. I'm nuts about them. So, with that in mind:I thought Eliminators did not come standard with hood pins, they were a $7.80 option over the Eliminator package.

You had so many things to say about what is wrong with the car but can't read the Marti. It has hood pins listed as an option. What can somebody expect from a person that has a NON existing car like the one in your profile.Mustang Boss 302--4.30 Drag Pack...45K super original.
They never made one. PERIOD, so how can it be original? Also in case you don't know. If you make a statement about something that somebody has for sale on the Internet that causes a sale to fail and the statement can be proven to be false, you can be arrested in some states on felony charges.[I believe 17 as of now]. Oklahoma is one of them. What do people like you get out of slamming other peoples cars and other things? Trying to prove how much smarter you are than the other guy.

Frank Bowers---former Eliminator registrar and former owner of four 1970 Boss 302 Eliminators with the Drag Pak option as found on the Marti and invoice, not just in my mind.

[vic69elim]

I posted a link to some pictures of my just finished Eliminator about a month ago and even though it is not "concourse correct" no one bagged it at all, only positive comments from everyone.
Vic.

[Art]

My opinion;
Unless you are seriously interested in buying the car, an unsolicited "critique" in the ad is out of line.
"Helping" the seller get more money for the car is bogus. It's between the buyer and the seller to come to terms.

[Al Bundy]

If you make a statement about something that somebody has for sale on the Internet that causes a sale to fail and the statement can be proven to be false, you can be arrested in some states on felony charges.[I believe 17 as of now]. Oklahoma is one of them.

Making a false statement is a felony in every state, but only if it's made to a federal official.

Felony charges for interfering with an internet sale? Sounds like a civil matter to me. Please site the case law to support your statement.

[Mercougar67]

That car is beautiful. The pictures are very well done. But I can't help but wonder how much of the text is BS when I get a couple sentances into the description and read that it was a "frame off" restoration. It's a unibody car, c'mon. I got to that point and stopped reading.

Amen! That has always bugged me, too.

[badcat427]

Making a false statement is a felony in every state, but only if it's made to a federal official.

Felony charges for interfering with an internet sale? Sounds like a civil matter to me. Please site the case law to support your statement.

Click the link

Internet libel laws

[1969XR7Vert]

http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...49&postcount=5

and

http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...ead.php?t=7241

[One Punch]

This thread has really reached the point of absurdity. To prove a libel claim, one must establish 2 elements.

1. The author knew, or should have known, that the statements they authored were false.

2. The author must be proven to have made said knowingly false statements with malicious intent.


To infer that offering an opinion about a motor vehicle somehow establishes either one of those elements is just retarded.

[badcat427]

This thread has really reached the point of absurdity. To prove a libel claim, one must establish 2 elements.

1. The author knew, or should have known, that the statements they authored were false.

2. The author must be proven to have made said knowingly false statements with malicious intent.


To infer that offering an opinion about a motor vehicle somehow establishes either one of those elements is just retarded.

When you say that the car has things wrong that it doesn't, and it causes diminished value, you can be held responsible if it causes a lost sale. The person making the statements is coming off as an expert so you be the judge. I have found that to argue with an idiot can be a losing proposition because they have a lot of practice so I am done. Say what you want, do what you want.
Frank